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wading into literary theory readings for a class tomorrow STOP student posts in online forum for class discussions apparently written in another language STOP send help STOP

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 01:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] takes-a-fairy.livejournal.com
*yoiks* for you!
The only word I recognized in that line was 'hermeneutics'. hee

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pynelyf.livejournal.com
the answer is obviously: grad student bingo!

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 01:59 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
I almost wrote "bingo" in the subject line, but that would have implied that I'm enjoying myself.

How's the recovery going from the summer of intensive Latin? New semester start yet?

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pynelyf.livejournal.com
Classes started last Tuesday, and eeriely it feels like my summer happened in a timewarp; September is picking up from where May left off as if the intervening months never took place.

Related Latin Memory: One of the instructors had coined an irritating phrase he would use on occasion when a student finally figured out an obvious point: "bingo bingere binxi binctus" as an imaginary dictionary definition. This was irritatingly picked up by two other students who would pepper just about every conversation with it. By the end of it, I did not think I could bear to hear it one more time, and yet here I am, promulgating it myself.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 02:45 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Or perhaps memorializing it so you can lay it to rest?

I think this will be the elective that I drop. Wow, is this stuff dense and ultimately not very satisfying.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roga.livejournal.com
I was at a housewarming party this Friday, and when talk turned to school someone started talking about Kant vs. Hume. I told them: Guys. If I just managed to stop myself from mentioning postmodernism and neomarxism, you can keep Kant out of any conversations taking place over the weekend.

In other words: keep academia lingo in academia. Once you start spouting words like 'philological' over dinner conversation... well, then you can be worried :-)

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 02:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Right now I'm mostly concerned with learning what all these words mean and keeping them straight. Ugh. (And suspecting that the amount of work this takes will answer the question of which elective I end up sticking with.)

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purridot.livejournal.com
I hate literary theory (what little I know) because as soon as I find one that I like, I'm told it's "old-fashioned" :-(

Those words look pretty, though.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 02:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
I guess? Hard to tell when they appear so much they pretty much cease to have meaning. I love when the authors say things like "obviously" while I'm clutching my head in confusion and frustration. The density of multisyllabic jargon in these pieces is epic. Oh my God, this stuff was made for parody. If only I were enjoying it as such instead of trying to figure out what the hell they're saying, on deadline.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 08:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purridot.livejournal.com
Somehow I managed to mostly avoid theories in school, I'm not sure how... When I mentioned to an English major acquaintance that I didn't subscribe to any particular theory of textual analysis, and I wasn't sure how useful it was, she replied: "Oh, you're so post-modern!"

... whatever that means.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 08:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
OMG, that quote is priceless.

I, too, managed to escape undergrad without taking any theory courses, even being an English major. I was in fact advised against pursuing graduate education in English by one of my professors because of the emphasis placed on theory. And there I was, curious, thinking I knew better. *shakes head*

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catilinarian.livejournal.com
One thing I always kind of resented about both literary theory and philosophy courses was that "old-fashioned" was often used as a synonym for "wrong" - even though there was usually no real evidence that the new ideas were more accurate. :)

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] purridot.livejournal.com
EXACTLY! I've heard people sniff and say, "nobody looks at texts THAT way any more."

Theories do come and go, but some remain kind of cool. Perhaps they can take on a new life as "retro" or "vintage" or something...

I am presently trying to figure out what "structuralist" means. By the time I do, it will be old-fashioned, probably :-( If it isn't already.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] warmdarkwoman.livejournal.com
My condolences. Those words are some of the main reasons I stopped at the masters.

Just a drive by, BTW. Love your fics, when you have time to write them.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 03:17 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Oh, thank you. There's another reason to drop this course: more time to write fic. Or think about how I'm not writing fic, as the case has been lately. :)

Those words are some of the main reasons I stopped at the masters.

Ha. Yeah, I've slowly backed away from the readings for the night and possibly for life and am considering dropping this course in favor of the other one I've been going to, which wrenches the brain a lot less. (And happens to be about the brain itself; go figure.)

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zulu.livejournal.com
Epistomology - a way of knowing something
Hermeneutics - theories about theories
Semiotics - how language/words are used
Philology - learning about languages
Deconstructionist - looking at the different parts of a thing
Paradigm - worldview

Should I be scared that I can talk like that?

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 03:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Nah. You can speak the secret language! Just takes some studying, I'd think. But having them all thrown in your face at once (the above plus many many more) and without introduction makes for some frustrating reading.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zulu.livejournal.com
Yeah, when I had literary theory it mainly involved sentence-by-sentence reading, where I had to look up every five minutes and reinterpret for myself: "Okay, what did that just...actually say?" But it was an excellent class.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 03:31 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
I'm mainly concerned that I don't have the time this semester to spend on all that foundation-building. If it's already a problem in September, I can't imagine what havoc it will wreak when my own program ramps up next month.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zulu.livejournal.com
Good point. As an elective, it's a bit much.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 04:35 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ignazwisdom.livejournal.com
... oh yeah, THIS is why I didn't go on to grad school.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 01:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
...This is also why I wrote the prof last night to say I think I'm going to drop the class, because I don't have the time to decipher all these documents that the rest of the students seem to have no trouble with.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 08:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ignazwisdom.livejournal.com
I dropped a few classes for that reason.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 08:36 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
*commiserates*

Oh! and! I was talking with someone today in an AI lab about a robotic lamp he designed with the goal of achieving an emotional, intuitive relationship with its human user. It reminded me of the "helpful" robot from Iron Man. And then in the middle of our discussion, he said, "Have you seen Iron Man?" So I laughed and said I'd just watched it this weekend, and he said he'd only seen it very recently too, and we agreed that it looked like someone from MIT had advised.

Anyway. I thought it was cool.
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Date: Sep. 10th, 2008 03:04 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ignazwisdom.livejournal.com
Great minds, etc. :) You were in an AI lab? You go to the weirdest, wildest school ...

Date: Sep. 10th, 2008 03:13 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
You can totally just walk right in and see all their robopuppets and things. Crazy!

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] catilinarian.livejournal.com
It probably makes me a bad academic, but I do get the occasional urge to give people who use words like that a very hard stare and say, "Be honest, you just MADE THAT ONE UP."

That was also my inclination in my own field of study whenever someone said "neofunctionalism" to me. I understand that technical terms are often useful, but I think the line between useful distinctions and "whee! Look at all the words I know!" can occasionally, in any field, be very thin.

By the way, your post title reminded me of one of my favourite quotes from my brother. You have to imagine the incredibly flat, deadpan surfer drawl for this to be funny.

"Mmmmm, yeah, if there's, like, two things Rutgers, like, does, it's, like, postmodernism and, like, semiotics. Yeah."

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 06:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Ha! Your brother is priceless.

I understand that technical terms are often useful, but I think the line between useful distinctions and "whee! Look at all the words I know!" can occasionally, in any field, be very thin.

It was especially trying because of all the exposure I've had recently to the plain language movement and the practice of explaining oneself as clearly and simply as possible. To be dumped back into "academic" writing was a bit of a shock, and that it was theory-speak on top of it... the whole thing smacked of obfuscation, pretension and maybe insecurity or inclusivity/exclusivity. I think that is not the kind of writing I need to be exposing myself to in light of what I'm meant to be producing in my program.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 02:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] musicisbelievng.livejournal.com
I don't even know half of those words.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 06:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
I don't even KNOW half these people.

In class this morning (the *other* class), we got a video montage of sci fi clips, and the first one up was from Stargate. SG-1, but still. Also The Matrix, and Eternal Sunshine, and one with Christopher Walken.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] recrudescence.livejournal.com
That whole subject line reminds me of a religion class I took once called Suffering and Evil. The professor's name was Cain. =)

...I'm not helping, am I?

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Making me laugh totally counts.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 04:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] topaz-eyes.livejournal.com
Have you heard about the physics profs who submitted a paper to a social studies journal using a number of these same words? :-D

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
No! Is there a story behind it? I am curious.

Date: Sep. 10th, 2008 03:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] topaz-eyes.livejournal.com
Oh yes, the story is brilliant. XD

http://physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/lingua_franca_v4/lingua_franca_v4.html

Wherein a physicist writes a paper full of complete nonsense and submits it to a prestigious cultural studies journal, which *accepts the paper and publishes it*.

House heartily approves.

Date: Sep. 10th, 2008 10:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bell
...And suddenly this xkcd comic doesn't seem as impossible anymore.

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elynittria.livejournal.com
I wish I had been online last night to help you out, but it seems like you already made the right decision: drop the class.

Literary theory is twaddle that should only be endured by grad students in literature (and even then it's pretty useless).

Date: Sep. 9th, 2008 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
I have been told as much by many people I respect, and yet I thought I should give it a try for media studies purposes. Clearly I should have listened!

Besides, now is clearly not the time to try to wrap my head around it (and a more introductory class might be a better idea -- or just doing the research on my own)...
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Date: Sep. 10th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Yeah, exactly. It was the anti-goal. Without the excitement of particle collisions.

(I'm just screening your comment because this post isn't locked and it mentions what I'm studying.)
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Date: Sep. 10th, 2008 01:01 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
No prob. Just wanted you to know in case you wondered why your comment had gone gray.

Feeling any better?

Date: Sep. 10th, 2008 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
Given what happened about 20 minutes ago, you don't want to know. Translation: coughing fits can get reeeeal ugly. Aren't you glad you asked? I feel fine though, just won't be running any marathons today. Or any other day, but... oh, never mind. I just hope the weather warms up soon XD

I hope you're feeling better having dropped that class! ;)

Date: Sep. 10th, 2008 01:22 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
I am. In addition to not having to deal with those readings, it frees up my afternoons Tue-Thu for the work I'm here to do.

Translation: coughing fits can get reeeeal ugly.

Oh dear. If you were in a House episode, we'd need to be really worried.

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