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In which no comparisons are made to the Buffy episode of almost the same name, but there is a reference to Willow.

Lots of Wilson, flirtatious glances, fanficcy meta stuff and the promise of trouble make me happy.

This ep had me from the first PPTH scene, when House got distracted from the differential because Wilson was chatting up the nurse. First of all, Wilson was in brown, which looks great on him. Second, House was definitely showing his possessive-jealous side, whether you interpret that as his desire to have Wilson for himself or to control his life or to save him from another disastrous relationship or all of the above. Fans sometimes complain when their book/show/whatever starts to read or watch like fanfic, but this was just great. Reminiscent of House breaking up Chase and the woman in “All In,” except that time he needed a clear-headed Chase to help treat a sick child and here he was just being nosy. Wendy or whatever her name was sure got in a good jab, whereas Chase’s date just left. And on second viewing it’s even funnier because you know that what she heard about House came from Foreman, not Wilson.

Cameron’s line about being the one who’s seeing the nurse made me giggle, as did Chase’s bug-eyed reaction. (Guess he still hasn’t learned to expect stuff like that to come out of her mouth.) She had some great lines later too, like her Willow-esque “Oh, ‘almost’?” to House’s, “Oh, 90%?” or the plaintive, “Does anyone care about the swelling?” Likewise, Chase was on tonight, chock full of smirks and glances and pats and folded hands and tosses and catches and brown-nosing as he sat back and watched in amusement the antics around him. [livejournal.com profile] synn was over (our first time watching together “live”; how is that possible?) so all the House/Chase-y moments stood out. And what was with the sudden focus on the House-Foreman-Chase dynamic?

While I found the final scene between Foreman and the patient moving, I felt it lacked the power of an episode like "Histories" where what begins as an antagonistic relationship between doctor and patient softens until the doctor eventually becomes sympathetic -- more specifically, Foreman looks beyond his assumptions and actually gets to know the person -- and then hurt, because of the patient's pain or death. I guess I shouldn't be complaining because we got to see one of Foreman's better sides. Maybe one day he'll learn not to make assumptions about people. Probably around the same time Chase stops being surprised at Cameron's dirty mouth, Cameron stops mooning over her boss, Wilson gets his act together and House counts his blessings.

Tied in first place for the most metalicious moments of the hour are the cop’s House-analysis in the clinic and Wilson’s speech about House having ruined his marriages. If I haven’t mentioned this lately, I am really, really sick of all the characters doing things like that, with the “You” this and the “You” that, especially when they’re guest stars who don’t even know him. And yet. This time it was almost okay because the cop’s a cop, or rather a detective, or whatever he is. It’s his job to read people in the way House does for fun. So at least with the cop -- as opposed to a patient’s wife -- such an accurate assessment is plausible. And as opposed to when it’s Wilson doing the smug analyzing, with the cop this might actually be useful. Still, not the best way to go about showing that this guy understands the way House works and doesn’t like him.

But! He tripped him! That was excellent, in a frightening way. House looked shaken and angry, without the hint of amusement we saw when Wilson filed through his cane (how kind of the writers to remind us of that a few minutes earlier). This guy (name, please, anyone? I didn’t catch it) is shaping up to be a fascinating nemesis. He’s sharp and mean and scary and perfectly willing to manhandle House and in a position to punish him for at least some of the crap he’s been pulling lately, like the faked prescription and the speeding. He got the swab he wanted in that clinic scene, but House just had to have the last word (or thermometer-stick), no doubt to get revenge for the humiliation of having stumbled. And then again with the one-upmanship in Cuddy’s office. Jeez, House doesn’t know when he’s pissing off the wrong person -- or rather, he can’t seem to help himself. *coughVogler* It was clear even before the cop revealed himself as a cop that he could do some serious damage to House, physically or litigiously. Maybe House really does think he’s immune to consequences. Guess next week will prove him wrong.

I love the cop’s intensity, the tension he has with House. Maybe it’s my overactive, sexed-up imagination talking, but there was something vaguely sexually threatening about his manner each time he showed up, with the belt buckle/pants lowering, the struggle for dominance and the skin-baring pat-down on the street. The show almost certainly won’t go in that direction, though I hope it plays with the idea more, but there’s fantastic potential for non-con or hurt/comfort fanfic in this arc. I think based on past conversation that [livejournal.com profile] firestorm717’s with me at least a little bit on this one.

ETA: Ha, [livejournal.com profile] firestorm717 who just created this icon and [livejournal.com profile] house_tritter.
ETA 2: Definitely not just me; [livejournal.com profile] usomitai begins to break the subtext down here.

Back to the meta bit: how brilliant was the scene in Wilson’s office? Wilson’s exasperation that House stole the nurse’s personnel file was cute, but what took the cake, of course, was when he started in on how House had contributed to his ruined relationships and didn’t want Wilson to have a healthy one now because then House wouldn’t be the center of his life anymore. It’s touching, if you think about it, implying that House is afraid Wilson will leave him if the right woman comes along. ’Course, House makes it hard to sympathize with him for long. But anyway, that was great. Also it looked like RSL was trying not to laugh as he delivered some of those lines, as if someone were making faces behind the camera; or maybe Wilson was just amused at his friend’s possessiveness.

As for the Poconos bit, it was your classic joke that’s at once slashy and slash-cancelling. Slashy because, um, Wilson thought House just suggested a romantic weekend getaway (and House did absolutely nothing to contradict him even after Wilson made it clear that he’d misinterpreted the intimation), and slash-cancelling because Wilson was taken aback and even a little frightened by the idea of it. While it was a hoot to have a character address the subtext again, on first viewing I got the impression from that little exchange that there is and was nothing romantic or sexual between them, even as my inner House/Wilson ’shipper started constructing ways to work with it.

And that is it for tonight because it’s far too late to be up. Happy Halloween!

ETA: Episode reactions - Pru, daasgrrl, Diane Kristine, usomitai, m_butterfly (on lack of empathy in fan reactions), stephantom, leiascully

Post-ep fic: "Humiliation" by baked_goldfish (House/Tritter dub-con, NC-17), "The Heart Must Pause to Breathe" by noydb666 (Wilson gen / H/W UST), "Safe as Houses" by kj_draft (House/Tritter non-con, NC-17), Untitled Bail Spec Fic by savemoony (Tritter POV, gen)

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 04:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nightdog-barks.livejournal.com
This guy (name, please, anyone? I didn’t catch it) is shaping up to be a fascinating nemesis.

Tritter.

Michael Tritter.

And I loved this episode.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 04:52 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Ah! Thank you. (I just added a paragraph about Foreman, whom I accidentally left out, hit "update" and saw your comment.)

It was pretty awesome, wasn't it? I hope the rest of the Tritter episodes live up to it.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 04:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firestorm717.livejournal.com
I think I addressed most of this in my post, but thanks for clarifying the Cameron line (I missed the beginning of that when I watched). The fact that she deadpanned the thing about dating the nurse made me XD and Chase just - as you said - was all over the place with the expressions and the smirks and the messing around with people, even though I didn't read it as a House/Chase shipper.

Ah! Damn, I totally forgot to mention the cop patting down House thing. I've actually been joking around with my friend about that a lot - that someone needs to manhandle House (Jack Bauer style XD XD) for once because, well, he's just asking for it with his assholishness at times. That bit of skin was Mmmm...okay, I kind of want to write a bit of Tritter/House pre-slash even though clearly I don't see it as a relationship so much as Tritter screwing with House because House was screwing with him in the clinic. Lots of implied, uh, *cough* what with the thermometer thing and the checking of the scrotum and...yeah. It was Tritter basically getting back at him for the humiliation.

Your comment about Wilson's reaction got me thinking, because I didn't actually consider the Pocomoco a slash line so much as House implying Wilson is going off to a romantic weekend with a girlfriend of his. But in a slash context, it did seem as if he was a little off...hm...that is my main concern with putting together a serious pairing premise for the two, because there is this line that is just so damn hard to cross, no matter how much I push them, it's hard to see either of them going over. *ponders* Need some sort of jarring catalyst. We'll see what develops in the coming days.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 05:02 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Oh, yes, absolutely, that was intended to be a question about the maybe-girlfriend, but then Wilson came back with the "you and me?" hand motion. It was his expression and the motion that felt non-slashy even though it was supposed to be a slashy joke, if you see what I mean.

I know what you mean about the line that's near impossible to cross with House and Wilson. It's easy to see them as just friends, and in a way it's easy to see them as lovers, but it's the transition that's a killer. One of the reasons the Poconos thing nagged at me is that it seemed to discount the idea of a preexisting sexual/romantic relationship between them that's been played around with with all the eyesex and Odd Couple stuff. ...I've got to shut up now and go to bed and come back to comment in the morning so what I write makes sense.

(Don't know if you saw it because I just updated about 30 seconds ago, but there's a paragraph in there about Foreman now too.)

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firestorm717.livejournal.com
Ohhhh damn, I'm such an idiot. I completely missed that when I first watched it *headdesk* Okay, the slash makes much more sense now, along with the double-meaning behind the big romantic weekend at the Poconomos "could change everything" *snerk* Now, it definitely sounds like House propositioning Wilson...I need to rethink how I'm going to approach the line now XD.

Yeah, yeah, it is a shame, though I suppose you could explain your way around Wilson turning House down for a number of reasons. The fact that Wilson was the one who misinterpreted it at first as House "propositioning" him feeds into the slasher mentality as well. I mean, I would think in any other situation, he'd simply leave off with a trailing, "Meaning...?" or something of that sort, rather than the you-and-me gesture XD. Who knows what each of them thinks of the possibilities? Could be Wilson just assuming the most outlandish for House, could be a subtle slip-up...the title is Fools for Love, after all, and God help them if you couldn't see that applying to House's over-nosiness and Wilson's reasons for reacting the way he did over the nurse.

Um, yeah. I'm making up shit where there is none, aren't I? Don't worry, you're not the only one with a severe lack of sleep...

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 05:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thirdblindmouse.livejournal.com
It certainly was an ...unexpectedly slashy episode. Even though I apparently missed the intimation of a romantic getaway between the two.

Both Foreman and Cameron were teh win this episode. ...Cameron/Foreman anyone?

Chase's behaviour unnerves me.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theninth.livejournal.com
This was the first time I ever liked Chase. I've never disliked him but never really got much of a feel for him. I still stand by my theory that he is the Wilson to Foreman's House.

Cameron was enjoyable for the first time. Ever. Too little too late if you asked me, though. She'd have been a much better character if she'd been like that from the start. Or from Season Two onward, at least. Now it's just too sudden.

Totally not digging the cop. I like villains. It's not that he's putting "my" House in danger that I don't like. I just hate his methods. I've dealt with people like him.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 01:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Nice comparison of Foreman and Chase to House and Wilson. Depending on the episode, the fellows can be matched up with different senior "staff" -- there are certainly plenty of times Cameron has played Wilson's role, for instance -- but yeah, I definitely see that dynamic looking back at Chase's laid-back, amused attitude, parrying the cynical Foreman.

Agree with you on Cameron's spunkiness coming too late and without enough explanation to be fully enjoyed.

[livejournal.com profile] synn's objection to the cop was that he frightened her -- she said that if she were to meet him in real life she'd be terrified because he's creepy, as if something is wrong in his head. So I think she'd agree with you there. I'm looking at it from a purely fictional point of view. Otherwise I don't know where I'd stand because I would probably hate House if I knew him too, and then whose side would you take?

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thirdblindmouse.livejournal.com
Cameron has always had some spunk, which is what kept her off my list of "truly despised characters" and just on the "reliably annoying" one. Her problem was never accute lack of spunk, it was those other facets of her character that failed to show up this episode. In this episode Cameron was consistently cheeky, didn't give out any of her usual obnoxious strange brand of ethics, and did no inappropriate hitting on coworkers or boss. It's almost entirely unprecedented.

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Yes, good clarification. It wasn't that the spunkiness itself was unusual, it was the lack of mitigating factors that made it stand out. Most notably, the obsession she displayed in "Lines in the Sand" with deconstructing House's actions disappeared. It's similar to what happened with Wilson in the very early episodes this season (if you've seen them) -- he seemed to some people uncharacteristically antagonistic, rude and invasive, but in my opinion it was mostly the lack of House's usual scathing comebacks that made Wilson's behavior stand out.

"Acute lack of spunk." Heh.

Date: Nov. 4th, 2006 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thirdblindmouse.livejournal.com
Alas, I still have to catch up with missed episodes.

"Acute lack of spunk." Heh.

The beauty of the internet is that others can't hear the snickering that goes on as we type our posts...

Date: Nov. 4th, 2006 01:22 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Unless you mean other people in the vicinity who are wondering what the hell we're doing, then yeah.

Maybe by the time you've caught up on the first three episodes I'll have replied to your other, longer comment. Eep.

Date: Nov. 4th, 2006 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thirdblindmouse.livejournal.com
*looks at workload* Would mid-December work for you?

It's terrible that real life should get in the way of internet life. :P

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kabal42.livejournal.com
Now I'm almost scared to read your reviews, but you are two seasons ahead of me, so no real harm done ;-)

I saw "DNR" last night and tonight there will be "Paternity" on Danish TV, which started last week. Yes, I missed the pilot, sadly, but now I'm on again from the beginning and will probably cross-watch so that I am 7 episodes ahead in one viewing ;-)

Anyway, as a new viewer, DNR was a fun episode because the patient (the trumpetist guy who has been diagnosed with ASL) sees another obsessive personality in House and forces House to relate to him. That was good. Especially the leaving the hospital together in the end with identical limps.
I'll refrain from the long commentings, but there was my short run-down of it so far.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 04:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Hello, new House fan! I'm not sure whether to be pleased or sorry that these reviews scare you. :) I won't be offended if you decide not to read them, of course. I know what it's like trying to avoid spoilers.

Crap, I forgot to email you about the pilot. *makes note*

"DNR" is a great episode for the way it handles the ethical dilemma (oftentimes the show bungles them, muddies them up or drags them out too long or doesn't address them enough) and builds that sweet connection between House and the patient. That "one thing" speech was really touching, wasn't it? It's also interesting to see Foreman work through his own professional dilemma about his working relationship with House and whether it's worth the mental anguish to learn from him.

"Paternity" may have been the first episode I saw. Hm. They re-ran it a lot too. The patient's name is Dan and at one point Chase shouts it a couple of times, so now whenever I hear the name "Dan" I hear it with an urgent Australian accent. Hee. But the episode is good -- funny and scary and wistful. Enjoy!

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kabal42.livejournal.com
I'm not really scared, just getting into the show ;-) So there's the spoiler issue, but I'm counting on my horrible memory to be its horrible self.

:-) Looking forward to that email.

The speech really was touching, I completely loved it. And there were some nice use of jazz stereotyping in the musician guy which I found interesting in itself.
Foreman's dilemma was interesting. Especially since he's the one who objects the most to House on a general basis. Chase seems to go with the flow and Cameron still is a bit too vague to me to have much impression. It'll get there, I'm sure.

Heh! I hope I'll avoid the accent memory - I'd rather not think Dan Radcliffe in Australian ;-)
I will! It's on in 1½ hours, so I might come and pester your journal again after.

a lot of nothing

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 04:37 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (nana)
From: [personal profile] bell
I missed the Willow reference? Though "A Fool for Love" was in my head all week because of the episode's title.

Fans sometimes complain when their book/show/whatever starts to read or watch like fanfic

Sometimes it amazes me how much the show swoops into fic territory without ever tripping over itself. And I'm with you. I'm all with them using fic tropes, provided that the use the good ones and that they use them well.

While I found the final scene between Wilson and the patient moving, I felt it lacked the power of an episode like "Histories" where what begins as an antagonistic relationship between doctor and patient softens

You meant "Foreman" and not "Wilson," right? :3

Not all episodes can be Histories? I'd rather they not clone their past storylines. (I was rather annoyed when they basically copied Histories in Acceptance, where Foreman AGAIN makes negative presumptions about the patient and later changes his mind.) I rather liked the variation of the theme-- Foreman defends them, gets burned (the male patient accused him of racism), and eventually gets closer to the patient than he was before. I felt like Foreman showed growth here.

As for the Poconos bit, it was your classic joke that’s at once slashy and slash-cancelling.

One of the online promos for the episode was the scene where House references the Poconos trip to Wilson. Without the context of finding the brochure in the nurse's closet that scene was even slashier and the fangirls, well, they took it to heart that House really WAS asking him out. Oh dear.

re: Tritter and sexual subtext: It was all over the place, man. There was little in his interactions with House that didn't have some kind of double-entendre behind it. I'll write most about that in my post. :3

Re: a lot of nothing

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 05:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Willow reference was in my recap, not in the show itself. Jennifer Morrison's delivery of the "Oh, 'almost'?" had a cute Willowy tone to it.

I'm all with them using fic tropes, provided that the use the good ones and that they use them well.

Right on. They've been responsible about them so far and I'm not too worried about it. Have other things to be concerned about, like the constant psychoanalyzing, dropping of critical storylines, and abuse of characters as foils and friends to House instead of people in their own right.

You meant "Foreman" and not "Wilson," right? :3

Gah, yes! Thanks, fixed now.

Not all episodes can be Histories? [...] I rather liked the variation of the theme-- Foreman defends them, gets burned (the male patient accused him of racism), and eventually gets closer to the patient than he was before. I felt like Foreman showed growth here.

True, and I wouldn't want them to copy previous episodes (another quibble with the show is its penchant for revisiting past concepts without the benefit of growth or a different angle). I just thought that "Histories" accomplished better what they seemed to be trying to do last night. But you've got a good point about the difference here -- that Foreman wasn't entirely antagonistic to start off with, that actually in the middle it turned out to be the opposite of what happened with what's-her-name. And the ending *was* moving.

they took it to heart that House really WAS asking him out.

One of the reasons I try to stay away from spoilers, including information on the Fox website (having been burned by their two-line episode summary before "Clueless"), is that little tidbits of information, whether it's a plot thread leaked on a message board or a video clip on the website or in the TV preview, can be totally misleading, whether in context or in emphasis. While it's fun to know hints of what's coming so you can cook up theories, it's also fun to be completely surprised by what the episode throws at you. ...All by way of saying I'm glad I avoided that clip and that most people were considerate enough to put the squee behind cuts.

re: Tritter and sexual subtext: It was all over the place, man. There was little in his interactions with House that didn't have some kind of double-entendre behind it. I'll write most about that in my post.

Oh, GRAND. Sometimes I'm so deep into my own sexually-charged episode interpretations that I can't judge things like this, that I wonder whether I'm making up what feel to me like blatant threatening sexual tensions while everyone else (well, the non-fandomers, or at least the non-slashers) sees a plain old bully. Looking forward to your post, as always.

Re: a lot of nothing

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 06:01 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (nana)
From: [personal profile] bell
Well, if you take Cameron's "I'm hitting that" to be proof that she's a lesbian we can take that as a Willow reference within the episode itself. ^_~

and abuse of characters as foils and friends to House instead of people in their own right.

WORDITY.

On the spoilers, *rolls eyes*. This last week I was itching fierce for House discussion and TWoP was delivering, so-- things were fine, since the boards have a strict "blacking out" of quotes policy, but then the HoYay thread EXPLODED over the clip. And I was feeling down over my OTP, so I gave in.

Watching unspoiled is always vastly better. VASTEDLY better.

There is NO way you can't read the slash behind the Tritter scenes, and I say that as someone who is always self-conscious about the veracity of her readings. And my initial skirmings of boards/posts/reactions confirms that a lot of people picked up on it.

PS: How's the fic coming along?

Re: a lot of nothing

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 06:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Being an introvert, or perhaps just being egotistical, some of the fun of being in fandom is learning more about myself. In this case, I'm learning it is not so unusual after all to see sexual tension between characters who would never in Hollywood tradition act on it, including m/m and hostage/captor. (Speaking of which... I wonder if that was a deliberate parallel between the coughing guy and the soon-to-be-patient during the diner robbery and Tritter and House during the arrest, with the threat of rape.)

Fic went on hiatus while I suffered through a cold last week and then went away for the weekend. Smut kind of has to be written when you're in a particular mood or else it doesn't work. I hope to get back to it soon. Meanwhile I'm working on the six-prompt stuff.

Re: a lot of nothing

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (duo)
From: [personal profile] bell
I thought that the coughing-guy was a return of the "introduction red herring!" from s2, but you may be right. I was more tuned in to the "legal" aspect of the beginning-- the episode begins and ends with the law.

Aww, but I know what you mean. Things have to be written under the right mood. And the six-prompts are good too. :D

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 08:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Oh yes, I'm not trying to boil down the introductory scene to just the overtones of sexual aggression; that guy was clearly our red herring as well as our catalyst. But looking back, I do see additional connections, like the creepy/lechy overpowering of another person, and like the law-breaking as you've pointed out. (Also that guy ended up in custody and it looks as if House will too.)

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
After staring at [livejournal.com profile] firestorm717's new House/Tritter animated icon, it occurs to me that that wasn't even just skin-baring at the end, it was belly-baring, emphasizing vulnerability.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 08:22 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (Grumpy Tree House)
From: [personal profile] bell
I think Tritter wins the "vulnurable" look when House sticks the thermometer up this ass, but, yeah, it *was* his tummy, which is simultaneously vulnurable and sexy. (Note also how Tritter pulls the jacket *up* and then roots through the pockets, which is more suggestiveness right there.)

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 08:47 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Remind me, because you've probably seen it more than I have (once) -- did he pull up the jacket to check if House was packing, or to gain access to his jeans pockets, or did it look accidental-on-purpose, or...?

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 08:50 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (Default)
From: [personal profile] bell
Oh, you don't have a copy of the episode? I can upload it if you like.

*checks the episode* The pulling of the jacket seems almost gratuitous-- he pulls it up, stops, goes "hmm!", then reaches into the jacket's pocket. In it is a lot of crap (that spills to the floor) including the Vicodin bottle. There was definite *intent* on finding narcotics on House's body but it's done so-- how many times will I use this word today?-- suggestively that in combination with all the other Tritter bits....

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 08:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
It's the first time you've said "suggestively" here, I think, if it makes you feel any better. And yes, that's what I remembered -- that the shirt-pulling didn't seem to have a purpose as far as the arrest went, that it was more of an opportunity for Tritter to get in another touch of humiliation.

(I watched it once last night; now I'm at work, therefore can't check. But thanks for the offer.)

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 09:17 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (duo)
From: [personal profile] bell
It's the first time I used "suggestively" *here.* But I was tempted to use it all over my description of the Tritter scenes and it's not a word that stands to being overused, you know? :D

I don't think it was an intentional "BE HUMILIATED!" move, since he ultimate goal was to find the narcotics-- THERE lay the true objective (what's more humiliating than landing in prison?). Strip-searching him was just an added bonus.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 09:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Unless he thought the pills were tucked under House's waistband, the jacket-lifting seems like an indulgence along the way. Surely further viewing will help.

(Want desperately to read your reaction and reply, but must get some work done first. :( )

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 10:09 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (nana)
From: [personal profile] bell
Surely further viewing will help.

I am sure this will be a great ordeal for you. :D

Date: Nov. 1st, 2006 10:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Yes. Sigh. The things I put myself through for fandom.

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 01:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
I went back and rewatched reading your post, just to get the first scene again in the light of the Foreman knowledge, and yes, it was lovely *g*. Although... I'm not feeling you on the Wilson in brown thing. I tend to be against brown as a clothing colour in general, though :)

Re the H/W, as I mentioned to someone else recently, I have the ability to simultaneously hold the 'just friends' relationship and the 'OMGTHEIRLOVEISSOCANON' in my head simultaneously. It comes in very handy!

I'm not fond of Tritter. Something about David Morse gives me the creeps. Although, obviously, it's probably meant to.

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 01:19 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Ah, see, yes, that's how [livejournal.com profile] synn felt, but I like him for his creepiness. Add a layer of sexual aggression to a villain and he goes up a notch in my book.

(Maybe House will diagnose some sociopathic malady in him. Not that it will help his plight once he's in the system.)

Alas, we shall have to differ on Wilson in brown. I loved it in ... whatever episode it was where he was standing out on the balcony eating while standing up, and ... yeah, I'm totally blanking on when he wore what, not surprisingly, but there's something about the brown hair/brown eyes/brown jacket/brown striped tie that make me want to pet him. More than usual. Not that he doesn't look nice in other colors too, like the dark grey suit at the end of "House vs. God." Also his hair is growing longer again, which helps immensely. D'you think the longer bangs contribute to accentuating his cheekbones or might he just be losing some weight?

Hooray for shallowness. :)

I have the ability to simultaneously hold the 'just friends' relationship and the 'OMGTHEIRLOVEISSOCANON' in my head

It is quite the handy ability, isn't it? Just as we're happily able to believe numerous different plots and characterizations in fanfic.

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 01:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
D'you think the longer bangs contribute to accentuating his cheekbones or might he just be losing some weight?

Good and Vitally Important question! *g* Someone said it could be makeup but I personally think he is marginally thinner. I'm sure the hair doesn't hurt, of course.

Speaking of wanting to pet, I am compelled to mention that face he pulls just before 'why so rude'. So amusing.

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 01:46 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Short hair tends to make people's faces look bigger, which wasn't a good thing towards the beginning of the season with Wilson's puffy cheeks. Now maybe the combination of some weight loss and longer bangs are bringin' back the cheekbones we all know and adore.

Yes! The face! Rivaled the silly one he did last season after the super-awkward moment with Cuddy in the elevator, post-"date." I wish he'd been facing the camera later too when he made that crack about "those were good times" re: conspiracy theories about his love life, because his voice went all funny and he probably pulled a face then too.

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
Yes, the short hair definitely didn't help. I'm just wondering what was behind the seeming decision to bring the hair back. If he's just between haircuts I will be Most Displeased :)

I actually don't remember that moment! Will have to rewatch. It'll be a chore...

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 01:55 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
It was "Forever," right at the end. House and Wilson come out of the elevator, Cuddy's waiting to get on the elevator, they exchange extremely awkward greetings (Cuddy thinks House has told Wilson, Wilson's guilty about doing the cancer test behind Cuddy's back), and when they pass Wilson ducks his head and his eyebrows shoot up and his face like simultaneously folds in half and stretches in a wince and it's just brilliant.

If he's just between haircuts I will be Most Displeased

No, see, emo!hotel!Wilson is so forlorn about his bachelorhood and bastard boyfriend friend that he's stopped cutting his hair and is partaking in lots of guilt-eating. Flirting with Wendy has helped his fragile ego enough that he's letting up on the latter, hence the slimming effect of the last couple of weeks.

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
Oh, no, THAT scene I remember - I even screencapped it for my journal because he does exactly the same look in Teenage Vampire XD

http://daasgrrl.livejournal.com/14932.html

I meant the one where you said you wished you'd seen his face due to his voice :)

emo!hotel!Wilson

Heh - I love it. It's like a C+W song...

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 02:08 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
LOL, awesome, thanks for the link.

Obviously misinterpreted that. The scene I meant came in the middle of the episode when Wilson was walking away from House down the short hallway to unlock his office door. His back was turned when he fake-reminisced about the good ol' days.

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 02:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
Ah, yes, I like what he does with his voice there :)

Date: Nov. 2nd, 2006 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilstorm.livejournal.com
Tritter is an excellent nemesis, from a purely objective point of view. Everything you said is perfectly true, and this arc looks to be pretty damn entertaining.

But. I hate him, and people like him. It's...a very personal thing. There were just so many fucked-up things in his speech to House in Cuddy's office. His line--"I'm looking for humiliation"--conjured instant hate. House screws with people, bulldozes his way through them to get what he wants, and yeah, he sometimes destroys their self-confidence, but as far as I can recall he's never deliberately humiliated anyone. He's embarrassed them and prolly caused'em shame, but not that. Humiliation is just a way of asserting power over someone, of making them feel inferior, and there's nothing about it that isn't bloody sadistic. If that's what Tritter wants, then he's the goddamn bully. And, c'mon. We know that House is proud, and I don't just mean in the arrogant sense. To steal a metaphor from Terry Pratchett, he's proud like the sea is full of water. You take the water out of the sea and it's just a great damn hole in the ground. You take away House's pride, and you take away part of his self. Humiliation would do that. That's why House essentially told Tritter to go fuck himself, imo. He couldn't have apologized and still lived with himself. I think he would've done it, even knowing who Tritter was, and just dealt with the consequences. You don't abandon your pride, ever. You just don't. And that's why he was so pissed--practically spat his last words at Tritter, even. If you live and die by your pride, you really don't appreciate someone trying to take it away from you to make you normal.

(...yeah, you can tell that I identify with that very strongly, huh.)

And I wasn't particularly fond of Tritter tripping House, either. It doesn't get the HAAAATE reaction, but it was low-down and very cheap. You can refuse to cut him slack just because he's a cripple, but it's outright dirty to use his crippled state against him. If Tritter really believed in treating people decently, he would've punched House. That woulda been fair.

So. Er. Now that I've gotten that out of my system, eheheh. Tritter's very interesting, but I get the feeling that I'm going to be yelling at the screen a lot over the next few eps. Oh boy.

Date: Nov. 5th, 2006 06:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Can't speak for everyone, of course, but to clarify, it's not that I like Tritter as a person, it's that I think he's an excellent nemesis and I like him as a character -- he's creepy, he's threatening to our hero, he's mean, he's willing to go for the low blows, and, being sharp, he has targeted two of House's weaknesses: his leg and his pride. All of that makes him interesting in the scope of the show, no matter how distasteful he is as a "person." And he's pretty distasteful. But then House has had his moments too.

To address one of your points, House may or may not have humiliated anyone for the fun of it (his cruel "reveal" to the model and his/her father in "Skin Deep" pushes the boundary, for instance), but he has caused more physical and emotional pain in his patients, colleagues and friends than strictly necessary at times, and when the pain was necessary he has sometimes taken a little too much pleasure in it for comfort (e.g. Katrina girl -- 'she needed to be hurt, I wanted to hurt her'). In other words, House has shown hints of his own sadism in the past. However, that still doesn't mean he deserved what he got from Tritter.

I get the feeling that I'm going to be yelling at the screen a lot over the next few eps.

Heh. I think we all will be, for various reasons.

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