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Okay, okay, I wasn’t going to, and I’m not, because I need to be in bed four hours ago, but just a little fist-in-the-air first, because Wilson’s on anti-depressants, because Wilson’s depressed, because nobody supports him ever, and he didn’t tell House because he knows House doesn’t care, and now it is canon. I know it’s sort of ridiculous to post with just that, because all of you will have more interesting things to say about it, and half of you have been writing it into fic and meta for months, possibly based on spoilers (not that the whole thing wasn't entirely RIGHT THERE), which sort of makes this whole thing circular, but. Just. I’m so thrilled to see it addressed on-screen. There just should’ve been more of it. Like the last scene should've been House going to see Wilson at the bar to hang out and help him feel better, not going on a fake-interview date with the hot nutritionist. It's Pizza Night all over again. ETA (only not, because I am totally in bed asleep right now: Hey, I wonder if we can back-date Wilson starting his prescription to the return of the House/Wilson yumminess recently. As if they can't be their happier, friendlier selves anymore unless Wilson drugs himself into accepting or forgetting how much of an ass House is to him.

OH NO WAIT. WILSON SAYING "WHILE YOU HAD YOUR FINGER IN HER BOYFRIEND."


...Can you tell I've been reading a lot of Pru lately?

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:14 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nightdog-barks.livejournal.com
Like the last scene should've been House going to see Wilson at the bar to hang out and help him feel better, not going on a fake-interview date with the hot nutritionist. It's Pizza Night all over again.

YES!

I ... God, this episode really disturbed me. House didn't know Wilson's current medical scrips, and HE GAVE HIM FUCKING AMPHETEMINES!

Am I spelling "amphetemines" right? I haven't looked it up.

Parts of this episode I loved -- RSL has one hell of a flair for physical comedy that he's apparently kept under a rock for most of these three seasons, but ... HOUSE COULD'VE KILLED HIM. Jesus Christ.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:21 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
House didn't know Wilson's current medical scrips

Yeah. Uh. I figured House *did* know Wilson's medical history, but clearly he didn't know about the anti-depressants before Chase pinged his brain, but then he did know or at least suspect he was taking them when he dosed him with the amphetamines ("a" in the middle), so, he was still being his own version of careful but only sort-of caring?

Got to admit, trauma aside, Wilson on speed was a funnier route to diagnosis than House breaking into Wilson's office and going through all his stuff trying to find the pills.

Speaking of Wilson on speed. Partly awesome, partly over-the-top, I thought. I liked him talking too fast to Foreman and shaking over label placement, but the wink and some of his lines to the girl in the exam room seemed... more RSL than Wilson? Which threw me out for a little bit.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:24 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
And also Wilson all disheveled in House's apartment, doing the wavy-hands "I'm on speeeed!" thing.

speaking of being on drugs. got to go to bed. 'see' you tomorrow.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Namaste said an idea on TWOP that I swear I thought of too during the epi, but then forgot so I'll give her the credit:

"Wilson outthinking House -- knowing he'd better dose both cups of coffee"

What if Wilson's not really on anti-depressants; he's just doping both cups of coffee so he can be sure House will get them? That is LOVE, unconditional and fairly well insane love.

And I'm 99.9% sure Wilson needs them anyway, so it's all good.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
Oh, one more thing. Continuity monkeys were hopped up on something, because just a few episodes back we had Wilson drinking super-sweet coffee and House scorning it. But now Wilson is drinking House's espresso just fine, so either House made both drinks sweet (?) or Wilson decides he doesn't need sugar.

Oh, the little details that strike me.

Sorry.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theninth.livejournal.com
I sort-of assumed Wilson over-sweetened his coffee once in a while KNOWING House would drink it. House has been stealing his food from him for years and years. He'd know by now that Wilson did or didn't drink it like that.

I also assumed that House would know Wilson's medical history. House broke into an office to read Stacy's file. He certainly wouldn't hesitate to read Wilson's. Wilson's obviously just on the Anti-d's, so House just hasn't looked at it recently.

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:03 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Don't be sorry -- that struck me too. From little things like that to huge Wilson character developments that get dropped, lack of continuity is one of the biggest and most consistent disappointments of the show. I know I'm not alone in that. It is sad. :( <-- sad face. like wilson before he started his prescription

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deelaundry.livejournal.com
TV shows supposedly have people on staff whose job is to ensure continuity. But I guess that must mean if the folder is Wilson's right hand in Take 10, then it's in his right hand in Take 35. They really need to hire someone (say, um, you, or me) to enforce character continuity and establish a reasonable timeline.

I'm dreaming, aren't I?

PS. Come take a peek at the latest meme I did: http://deelaundry.livejournal.com/47925.html

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:30 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Oh, I'm sure they have people on staff for shot-to-shot continuity as well as season and series continuity, but the latter group must need some augmentation, or coffee, or training, or replacement, because really, that is just not this show's forte, and that's one way to lose your hardcore fans.

Meme, eh? *floats over*

Date: May. 9th, 2007 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theninth.livejournal.com
Once again we had the Foreman=House, Chase=Wilson thing, too.

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Tell me about Chase=Wilson. I mostly only noticed the big Chase=House stuff. Unless perhaps you refer in part to Chase laughing at House's jokes and things.

P.S. Speaking of people being like House, WTF with the preview voiceover plugging the fact that the POTW is just like House? Hello? So is every patient ever.

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theninth.livejournal.com
When Foreman and Chase were testing the patient, and Chase was being Concerned and asked why Foreman was quitting. He was very "But you'd tell me, right?" which was sort of a broad parallel to House and Wilson dosing each other. Each one thinks the other tells them everything, but they all keep forgetting that no one ever tells anyone everything.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
I didn't even consider spoilers, but maybe that's at least part of why so much canon seems predicted by fic lately. Not that I'm not loving it (while simultaneously wanting House to STOP BEING SUCH A COMPLETE ASS AND GO LOOK AFTER WILSON RIGHT NOW DAMMIT). I also really felt they hadn't 'resolved' that Wilson thread properly, but House hitting on someone is faaar more important, right? Sigh. The whole H/W this ep left me sad and amused and outraged and pissed off and... I just have no idea what chapter I'm in right now :)

YES HOUSE HITS ON WOMEN WHILE FINGERING GUYS. WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT MORE CAREFULLY. OR MAYBE, LIKE, NOT.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] nightdog-barks.livejournal.com
The whole H/W this ep left me sad and amused and outraged and pissed off ...

Best description I've read of how I felt too.

YES HOUSE HITS ON WOMEN WHILE FINGERING GUYS. WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THAT MORE CAREFULLY. OR MAYBE, LIKE, NOT.

Hee!

Date: May. 9th, 2007 10:16 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (Default)
From: [personal profile] bell
Oh, House hitting on/sexually harrassing women is way more interesting. :P

I'm hoping that they'll pick up this Wilson thread later because it's not a small thing and because House himself is on the anti-depressants. With the show's continuity being as good as it has been lately, who knows, maybe we'll get to hear more about Wilson's depression. (At any rate this ought to fodder more fic on this? :DDDD)

As for the post itself:

I wonder if we can back-date Wilson starting his prescription to the return of the House/Wilson yumminess recently.

I don't think so! We've been back in the H/W swing since Act Your Age-- the anti-depressants, or, at least, their effect, is recent. Wilson was yawning and House was smiling everywhere only this episode.

Who needs meta when you have canon!Depression Wilson and coffee drugging? :D

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:24 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Um... the yawning is a recent symptom when Wilson's been taking them for a few weeks? Okay, no, you win on that one.

With the show's continuity being as good as it has been lately, who knows, maybe we'll get to hear more about Wilson's depression.

I thought you were being sarcastic at first, but then I realized you weren't! I agree that continuity has been better these past few weeks than at other points during the season, so there's a better chance they'll stay with the Wilson-and-House-are-depressed theme (though they're way more likely to drop Wilson's half and focus on House) than, but it's still not great. You know --

Wilson/Cuddy - dropped
House/Cuddy - dropped
Chase/Cameron - dropped
Wilson/Robin - dropped
Cuddy!baby - dropped
House worrying about the worsening side effects of his Vicodin usage - dropped
House trying to find alternative pain management/rehabilitation methods - dropped

etc. And I do, I do see what they have kept. Just saying, I wouldn't necessarily praise the show's continuity.

Date: May. 10th, 2007 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
Just to say (not that I just watched it again or anything *g*) that House did point out the yawning could have been the result of a recent change in antidepressant prescription - so there is room there, timewise.

Date: May. 10th, 2007 11:39 am (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (ow!)
From: [personal profile] bell
so there is room there, timewise.

CURSE YOU.

On the other hand, someone suggested that Wilson isn't actually on anti-depressants-- that he drugged both coffees to be sure that House would get his dosage. Ie, willingly sacrificed his body for House's happiness. XXXD (I'm not saying that it's *definitely* the case, but there is room for that interpretation! It'd explain why his main/best explanation was "IT'S PERSONAL.")

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daasgrrl.livejournal.com
:P

Regarding the other issue, there's a lot that's possible, but I personally find the evidence of him actually being on antidepressants overwhelming, given both his situation and the way he seems to speak from a basis of personal experience about needing a psychiatrist and a whole work up and so forth (even though he's only using it as an excuse in that instance).

I think that argument is tenuous. I mean, Wilson didn't even touch his 'own' coffee when House was in his office, and House hasn't generally been suspicious of taking stuff from Wilson, so there's no reason to double-bluff. Even if he did, there's still no reason Wilson would need to drink his own drugged coffee to begin with. At worst, he could fake it.

Date: May. 10th, 2007 10:24 pm (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (duo)
From: [personal profile] bell
I'm not saying that it's a likely possibility, merely that there's space for that interpretation and that it's crazy interesting to consider. :D But I'd say that he's on the anti-depressants, yeah.

Pity they seem to be working better on House than on him, though. House gets to be happy. Wilson gets to yawn. :P

Date: May. 10th, 2007 11:35 am (UTC)
bell: rory gilmore running in the snow in a fancy dress (Default)
From: [personal profile] bell
I thought you were being sarcastic at first, but then I realized you weren't!

Ahahhahah. Sometimes I'm not sarcastic; shocking, I know! XD

I'm not singing praises of the show's continuity, I'm just saying that it's improved. We've been getting more carry-over from previous episodes than ever. Doesn't mean to say that it's *consistent* or anything, but...

I've also had to grudgingly agree that the series may drop something for episodes on end but it hasn't necessarily forgotten. I'm willing to bet that all those things you listed (minus Wilson/Robin WHY OH WHYYYYYYYY) will rear their ugly heads again. Especially those last two items. Because House/pain/Vicodin is DS' true OTP. ^_^

So I think that depressed!Wilson will be forgotten for a while but it'll come back. That they acnowledged it in the first place shows that they know how unhappy he is. He's not going to start being happy anytime soon.

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:08 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
NO, I THINK WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE, AND MAYBE WRITE UP SOME SCENARIOS *NUDGE NUDGE*.

maybe that's at least part of why so much canon seems predicted by fic lately.

It's nice that we're all on the same lines, character-extrapolation-wise, but it'd be nicer to see the writers go in some new directions as well. A middle ground between completely predictable and melodrama.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 05:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dangomango.livejournal.com
As if they can't be their happier, friendlier selves anymore unless Wilson drugs himself into accepting or forgetting how much of an ass House is to him. ....well, damn, you made it sad. *g* And it is--House, show Wilson that you care, already--like a NORMAL HUMAN BEING, dammit!

Date: May. 10th, 2007 12:14 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] bironic.livejournal.com
Show wouldn't be any fun if House were normal, now would it? Although a little happy nod every now and again to their friendship wouldn't go amiss. The coffee and vigil during "House Training" was nice.

Date: May. 10th, 2007 07:19 pm (UTC)
ext_1225: Jon Stewart in a pink dress (the_man!house)
From: [identity profile] litalex.livejournal.com
...House cares. Why else is he upset that Wilson didn't tell him?

And seriously, I think it speaks a tremendous amount about their friendship that House is almost never mad at Wilson for secretly drugging him, playing pranks on him, etc. He just fights back. I mean, he did break up with Stacy for a similar action.

And perhaps because I do identify with House, I thought what Wilson did was on the same level of screwed-up-ness with what House did...

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